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APS - tuplaturbosatsin goodbye?
Jahah, eikös sitten ollutkaan ihan kunnollista tavaraa? Vai paloiko vain pinna?
"Knock APS off your list. Their stay was short lived and they have left the game now. Their products are under deep suspicion of being knock off turbos, outsourced parts, etc. If you buy one of their kit it is safe to say that now you will get zero customer service." http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-f...endations.html Niinpä: "We installed the APS kit, luckily we decided to run the Meziere electric water pump to circulate the water before we fired the engine up. We then checked the engine oil dipstick and found about a lot of water on it! One of the water cooled turbos had a bad seal and leaked a lot of water into the engine. APS overnighted us another turbo to replace the bad one. Keep in mind this was many years ago when APS was just entering our market. Why did I not go direct with APS? All in all I found APS very hard to deal with. Bob" http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-f...ar-market.html Mikä sitten on totuus? No, se selviää sitten kun itse kokeilee. |
Tossa on kans piitkä thredi aps ongelmista..No Pekka, tuleekos seuraavaan lsx inkarnaatioon jo vihdoin ja viimein ne turbot? ;)
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Hahah. Vaikkei englannista juurikaan ymmärtäisi, niin veikkaisin että riittää jos tietää mitä "fucked" tarkoittaa....: "Peter I think you and your company APS know you fucked some people over here. You choose to hide and not fix the problems with the turbo's you sold to all of us. Now APS doesnt want to support the F body anymore. APS is a fucking joke and I regret ever supporting your kit. Yea my kit ran 9's but I had to fix alot of problems and have been quiet on this board for a while. After reading countless threads of peoples turbo's cracking Id say you had a major design flaw and instead of manning up to all the problems you choose to just let the boat sink and all the persons that bought a kit from you sink with it. What comes around goes around." Joo tuon pidemmälle mä en ehtinyt lukea. Quote:
Mutta sen voin sanoa, että olin kerran tilanteessa jossa en ollut ihan varma miten jo saapuneitten viriosien kanssa olisi pitänyt menetellä. Yleensä olen kysynyt sähköpostilla ja aina olen saanut vastauksen. Tällä kertaa soitin, kun oli oikeastaan pakko. Reilun 10 sekunnin jälkeen vastattiin. Ja neuvot tuli. Juurikin ne tiedot jotka halusin. Samalla tuli vastakysymyksiä. Jouduin niihinkin vastaamaan. Hyvä. Asiat tarkentuivat. Jos osaa LSx:n virityksen alusta loppuun asti, mukaanlukien turbot, niin mikäs siinä. Itse en ole sellainen guru. Toki osaamista olen jo haalinut paljon, mutta sille ei vaan voi mitään jos ei tunne ihan kaikkia osia. Mukaanlukien tietysti elektroniikka. Siksi käytän mielelläni hovivirittäjiä. Niitä jotka vastaavat puhelimeen ja sähköposteihin. |
Jos vertailee Prochargerin ja APS:n twinin asennattavuutta niin onhan noissa jo tuolta kantilta ajateltuna eroa kuin yöllä ja päivällä. Paljon osaa, paljon mahdollisuuksia heikkoihin lenkkeihin. Harmi jos se heikoin lenkki on itse pääosa paketissa.
Toisaalta pitää yrittää ymmärtää valmistajaa aina noissa jutuissa. Hirveä tuotevastuu lankeaa kun jotain alkaa valmistamaan. Aina noi ongelmat ei riipu itsestä vaan siellä on usein kolmansia osapuolia joilla saattaa olla laadullista heittoa toimituksissa. Ja aina on mahdollisuus siihenkin että loppukäyttäjä tekee virheitä asennuksessa ja sitten avaudutaan foorumeilla tuulispäänä. |
Tää on tätä iänikuista keskipakoahdin propagandaa...
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Ja en näe noiden "kiina turbojen" käytössä mitään maailman kaatavaa ongelmaa, aps-kittihän on periaatteessa vain aihio jota voi itse sitten modata mieluisaan suuntaan..Kumminkin ton ja lingen kitin hintaerolla jo hieman komponetteja voi vaihdella.
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Noi APS systeem olit oli ihan toiselta planeetalta verrattuna americanjunttien tekeleisiin ja siinä se suurin "vika" oli. Fätäässit kun ei jotain tajunneet ja Austaralian ukko ei sekunnissa vastannut niin se oli liikaa. Myös se että noi APS sarjat oli selkeästi mietitty varmoiksi eikä vain metsästetty dynoqueen titteliä oli vähän liian vaikeaa ymmärttää.
Oikein hyvä esimerkki aivottoman massan voimasta:ncool: |
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